In the second part of this recording Jack O’Keeffe discusses the international trade competition (Bolton Street was the centre for this) and he talks about that time in great detail. He wanted full recognition for architectural courses, and he talks about how they achieved this. He gives his opinion on why he did not want university status for the DIT and explains his reasons. He discusses the time when town planning courses were first organised, and talks about the time when Donogh O’Malley was Minister for Education, and his involvement with writing his scripts. Jack O’Keeffe retired in 1988 after spending 25 years as Head of the Department of Architecture in Bolton Street. This recording continues into part 3, where Jack McKenna expands on many of these issues.