In this recording James Wrynn initially discusses in detail his lectureship in Management in the old College of Marketing and Design in Mountjoy Square, in the early 1990s, while he was Chair of the City of Dublin VEC, the authority in charge of DIT. He was an active member of the Labour Party since 1973. He describes his brief as Chair of the VEC. He also discusses the awarding of degrees to graduates of DIT courses by Trinity College. The strength of DIT in general is described and the status of the institute when it became a degree awarding institution is discussed. In 1993, when Niamh Breathnach was appointed Minister for Education, he became her programme manager and chief adviser, in a change of career which saw him leave his lecturing duties and chairmanship of City of Dublin VEC. These were challenging and policy-driven years, he recalls, and in 1995 he returned to DIT. He discusses his views on the achievements of the VEC and DIT, and also the Grangegorman move in the coming years.